Urmil Bakhai
SatLeo Labs | APRIL 12
Co-founder of SatLeo Labs, a spacetech startup building thermal infrared microsatellite constellation in LEO. Raised $5.5M seed, $42M in LOIs, targeting Q4 2026 launch for first satellite TAPAS-1.
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SatLeo Labs | APRIL 12
Co-founder of SatLeo Labs, a spacetech startup building thermal infrared microsatellite constellation in LEO. Raised $5.5M seed, $42M in LOIs, targeting Q4 2026 launch for first satellite TAPAS-1.
Zingroll | APRIL 12
Harshit Yadav is the founder of Zingroll, an AI-native entertainment platform building YouTube for AI-generated films. Backed by a16z, Accel, and Google AI Futures Fund. Previously a Thiel Fellow Finalist who discovered two asteroids in high school and studied CS at Dartmouth.
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Utsav Somani: Yeah, it's an overseas company. But India is now Hyrox's fastest growing market. I mean, they have many Indian partnerships, like Puma, of course, the global brand, Ultra Human was doing the Bangalore one, then they've got Red Bull and many others. Utsav Somani: Let's welcome our very first guest and talk about satellites again. It's becoming one of our favorite topics on the show. Let's bring in the specialist today, Urmil of SatLeo Labs. Welcome to the show, Urmil. Urmil Bakhai (SatLeo Labs): Thank you. Thank you for having me here. Utsav Somani: You'll have to explain to us what SatLeo does. Urmil Bakhai (SatLeo Labs): Okay, so to put it very simple, what we are doing is we are building a thermometer up in the space for planet Earth, right? So our satellites constellation, which we are going to launch on low Earth orbit — that is how SAT, LEO stands for. SAT is satellite and LEO is low Earth orbit. So we're going to send our satellites on low Earth orbit and capture thermal imagery. And so thermal imagery in simple terms is nothing but we're going to capture heat emissions for the entire globe as such. And using this satellite imagery, we turn the satellite data into actionable intelligence. Utsav Somani: And you're doing two things which are very interesting. You're basically going very high in terms of resolution, so sub 10 meters, and you're also capturing this data and making it available via API for twice a day. What are the kinds of applications that get unlocked via this? Urmil Bakhai (SatLeo Labs): Yeah, so again, huge set of applications. If you really start with any urban landscape, right? As we see, the rapid urbanization is happening across not only India, but across the globe. Right now, cities do not know their heat as well as emission hotspots. Which part of my city is emitting what kind of heat or what kind of emissions? It is right now an unknown charter for any municipal corporation or any city development authority. We actually try to provide that and get into a lot of on-ground interventions using this intelligent data. So for example, we are doing a small pilot with Ahmedabad Municipal Corporation presently, where every day we are going to give them a hotspot identification, not only for the day, but also two days in advance. Dhruv Sharma: Can you tell us a little more about the satellites themselves? Like how big are they — these are microsatellites, right? Urmil Bakhai (SatLeo Labs): Yeah, so our first satellite mission is called TAPAS-1. That is a CubeSat. And it is more of a demo satellite. Our first demo satellite, which is TAPAS-1, it is already, so the payload is ready and it went through a series of tests, which we conducted in the in-space facility, which is headquartered in Ahmedabad. There is also a good amount of ISRO facility where you can have rigorous testing of your payloads. So we performed that. So it passed through all those TRL levels. We are at a TRL level eight. Dhruv Sharma: And the thermal imaging systems on board, have you developed them entirely by yourselves? Urmil Bakhai (SatLeo Labs): Entirely by ourselves, obviously. The detectors are obviously imported — none of the detectors currently are made in India, even ISRO detectors are also imported. So that is where we have to rely on other countries for that import. But otherwise all the electronics, all the optics, the other satellite components, they're all in-house, made in India by us. Urmil Bakhai (SatLeo Labs): So that is how, you know, thermal — I think we are India's first company who are attempting to have thermal imaging satellites of our own. Our payload will be world's first payload, which will have dual band capturing capability, that is medium wave as well as long wave. And these two bands are very distinct in the kind of use cases it will solve. Utsav Somani: So first of all, we talk less of tech and more of the ground impact which this kind of data is trying to solve. If you really look at the kind of LOIs, that has enabled for us to capture this LOIs from the industry and from the governments. I think our biggest differentiator is our — so again, I'll go back to the story where we started. When we started building around this company, it was never that we wanted to create a space tech company only. We wanted — actually we identified certain gaps in the ground whether it is an agriculture gap or whether it is an urban landscape or whether it is a gap with a defense data capability. We first understood where the gaps are and then realized that space is the only and the best scalable model to be in. Urmil Bakhai (SatLeo Labs): For example, you've heard, right? People burning ferraris, you know, around the area, Haryana and like, you know, Delhi getting polluted because of those, you know, burning of the residues. They, you know, when the satellite data was captured, you know, the farmers were quite clever. What they did was they did not burn this during the daytime. And they used to burn it during the nighttime to avoid getting caught. So then, like, you know, the thermal is a direct use case where those kind of escape cannot work with this data sets. Utsav Somani: All right. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Have a wonderful year ahead and wishing you all the best for Your launch. Urmil Bakhai (SatLeo Labs): Thanks. Thank you so much. Utsav Somani: All right, listeners. We'll move on to our next segment. We've got Harshit from Zingroll joining us. Harshit, welcome to the show. Harshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Great to see you, Utsav and Dhruv and everyone. Utsav Somani: From what I read, you're also interested in the world of space. You were identifying asteroids and you were a Thiel fellow finalist as well. And now you're making people watch endless series. So tell us about your journey and what Zingroll does now. Harshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): I did that back in high school, discovered two asteroids. I've been all over the place in terms of just being generally curious. I was born and brought up in Delhi, New Delhi, India, and then went to Dartmouth College for my undergrad where I studied CS and sociology. I've been building a lot of consumer products basically all throughout my high school and college. And one thing led to another, realized that cinema is really where there is a problem to be solved because content production is now getting cheaper and there are fewer films produced in terms of the topics that are being covered that people really want to watch. And just that basically led to what Zingroll is today, which is essentially YouTube, but for AI native films, which basically wants to serve all different niches. Utsav Somani: And you're betting on the fact that the AI models will become so wonderful that you will not be able to distinguish reality from what AI is made, right? Harshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Absolutely, we started this like almost a year ago when you could barely get images to work, but now you have video working really well. I think there's like some things here and there where there's an uncanny valley for long form cinematic storytelling, but it's only a matter of time. It's like the Moore's law for video models — it's gonna get better for sure. Harshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): I mean, it's a great question. I wasn't there to see the last industrial or tech revolutions, but I've read enough to see that usually there's a new technology and it usually expands through the market. So like, you know, everybody hated when cameras came along and there used to be only dancers on the Broadway stage, but then Sony will be making films now. And now the same thing happened with CGI. You can't bet against technology. Utsav Somani: All right Dhruv, you have a closing question? Utsav Somani: No, I think we've pretty much covered it. If you were to open your app after the show, what do you think we should check out first? Harshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): There is World War II right now. I think you should check it in a month. There'll be World War III. Not in the real world, but like that would be a show about it probably. So check that out. Utsav Somani: Alrighty, perfect. Thank you so much and all the very best on this journey, Harshit. Harshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Thank you so much for having me. Utsav Somani: All right listeners, that's it. Have a wonderful break tomorrow if you're celebrating and we'll see you on Wednesday at four o'clock. Thank you. 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�Ёݔ�ѡ����������ٕȁѥ����ͼ�ѡ�́�́ݡ�ɔ�ѡ�����������́����=ٕȁѥ����ݔ���ٔ�����ɝ��ٽ�յ��������ѕ�и�]��ݽձ����ѽ��ѥ����䁡�ٔ����������������չЁ���ѡ�а�ݡ������́�����������ѥ���Ʌѕ̰�ݡ����ݽձ������ձЁѼ������������������������ѡ������ɥѡ������ݡ�ѹ�и�Y����́���ѕ�Ёѡ�Ё��́��ݕȁ������ѥ���Ʌѕ́ݽձ�����������ձЁ��и\nDhruv Sharma: It's like- How far are you guys gonna push the envelope on personalized entertainment, like NF1 projects and pieces of content?\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): If you want a feature, you can let me know. But we will make a lot of like personalization with cameos just for like, you know. Well, there's a lot of GDM involved, yeah.\nDhruv Sharma: This flips the coin on the likeness problem itself. So if Virat Kohli doesn't want to be in one of the videos, you know, so be it. Like if you wanted to be in them, you could be in them.\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): You could inject your- Yeah, you could swap anybody anytime you want. But I think like personalization or identification is gonna be a side market. Like if you have a really big show coming up and you have a new character come in, like open an auction for like who wants to be in it. But we don't want to go in that direction, right? I want to make sure like the customers actually like watching what we have first. And then there's so much to do afterwards.\nUtsav Somani: I'll be insane if this thing blows up like the K-pop industry or the Korean movie industry where people don't even know the language and they're all about Korean ramen noodles. I mean, like K- pop is a different culture altogether. Like I think that's a, I mean, the next gen to next gen, I think they're all just binge watching Korean dramas, Korean culture. Like I know people who are traveling for Korean pop culture in a big way. And it's fascinating how big that industry has become. So maybe some of this actually, maybe the next to next generation actually lives up by growing up on this AI culture as well. But tell me what are the models which are doing well in video? Like is- For sure.\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Is it Seed Dance? Yeah, you mentioned Seed Dance. That's the best one so far. We're expecting VO4 soon enough, hopefully. So I'm pretty sure that would be, you know, the next level of models, but it happens every like six months. Before this was VO3, before that, we expect a lot from Solar too, but they shut down that recently. Like the entire team is gone. For now it's Seed Dance too. I was expecting more though.\nUtsav Somani: Those are the two best ones. That's what most of the creators are using right now.\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Seed Dance, well there's Kling also, but it's like very specific to what the model specializes in. So there's no one use case or model. Like for example, Seed Dance was really good with cinematics, which usually applies to long-form filmmakers and emotions. Then Kling is really good, like, you know, specific, like, you know, high resolution, deep camera shots, stuff like that. So it depends on like what you're trying to put.\nDhruv Sharma: What's the creative process like though, Harshit, from start to like, how do you, you know, develop the story and the characters and, you know, voice and all of those different artifacts? Tell us all about that.\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Yeah, so there's many parts to how we as a company approach it, meaning we have a content studio that has its own process. And then we have independent creators doing all sorts of things to make stuff. For example, our studio would like pick whatever is most valuable from our internal information. We have like over 50 accounts that have millions of views that are not names and roles. So we exactly know what people want to watch. We'll just like, you know, create an internal story, then create images for them, place characters, use Kling to start generating images, storyboard, traditional studio process, all done internally. But then we also have like creators just basically making random stuff and sending it to us. They like take a webtoon story, make a fan fiction. Now that's like an IP issue. So you might, sometimes you have to take it down. So stories aren't necessarily original. People are like taking it from everywhere else. Well, that's kind of like a larger debate point about what is new, because, you know, even in music now you see more speeds have already been used, but like they're all being reused in a different or like repurposed in a different way. That's essentially the same thing with stories and movies. Like it's the same arc, but how do you like make it so that it's not violating somebody's IP by the same time, it's not really IP. So that is something we have to handle quite a lot as a platform.\nUtsav Somani: And Dhruv has asked this question before. So I'm going to recycle it. When do you think, do you think we'll actually see an AI-generated movie in the cinema?\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Oh, a hundred percent. You might see films in Google already working on it.\nDhruv Sharma: I don't have the purest question today, but I do have one. Who knows, maybe it's a difficult question for Harshit to answer, but Harshit, right now all of this is super early, right? And we're all really excited about it, but let's project this, I don't know, 10 or 20 years out. Maybe we get there even sooner and people at some level are just done with this stuff, right? Like, do you ever think or worry about how and when the cultural pendulum will swing too far in one side that it'll actually have to be brought back to again, making movies by hand?\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): I mean, it's a great question.\nDhruv Sharma: Will they both co-exist?\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): It's a great question. I wasn't there to see the last industrial or like tech revolutions, but I've read enough to see that usually there's a new technology, like, and Mark Andreessen said this correctly, like, it usually expands through the market. So like, you know, everybody hated when cameras came along and there used to be only dancers on the Broadway stage, but then Sony will be making films now and it's not just the audience that could attend the actual hall and the whole thing. It's the audience that's sitting at home and then watching things from what was shot to the camera. And now the same thing happened with CGI. Then, you know how like everybody hates Marvel and then usually not, you know, nominated for Oscars because it's not real cinema, but you see the total addressable size of the market. The industry loves it. And it's the same thing with this. You can't bet against technology.\nUtsav Somani: I think the purest, I think what happens is they probably, the market or the willingness to pay, I think increases significantly, but the market maybe becomes smaller. I think we've seen this in handcrafted luxury goods. We've seen this in Japan, non-processed food, or like even like, I mean, the sushi or even vegetarian food for that matter is more expensive. And then you see this in watches and many other industries.\nDhruv Sharma: Classical music for that matter, limited venues, you know, very kind of- Scarcity always brings up the price, but the market is small for that scarce product.\nUtsav Somani: Yeah, the market probably goes down, but I think the willingness to pay, I think, increases. Then it becomes like a more of a status symbol because it's not easily accessible. Accurately said. Yeah, what about Axel and Google? You're part of their, I mean, the new program as well.\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Yes.\nUtsav Somani: Tell us a little bit about that.\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Yeah, I mean, Axel's been a great partner from the beginning. So has A16GB. Then with Google, we were more excited because they're the leading like, you know, tech company in all of AI essentially, and especially video models. And they were also really excited about this use case. Like everybody's basically building either like, you know, ad products where you can make really good creatives or just traditional like LLM- based chatbots. They thought that this was a use case, which is worth trying in a sense of like, you know, if people can get all this new content that's unlocked by AI, that's probably the biggest like creative use case all of like, yeah, as well. So they just want to give it a shot and they think we're the right team. So we want to just prove them right. That's all.\nUtsav Somani: What if, I mean, the same question that I think every startup has to answer at some point, what if Google decides to do it themselves by spinning out YouTube AI or something like that?\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Happy to get competition from them, but I think we'd love to like work together instead of against each other.\nUtsav Somani: That's the spirit.\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Yeah.\nUtsav Somani: All right Dhruv, you finally closing question?\nDhruv Sharma: No, I guess I had one for Harshith and we've asked that already. Back to you if you have one.\nUtsav Somani: No, I think we've pretty much covered it. If you were to open your app after the show, what do you think we should check out first, Dhruv and me? Whatever you've learned about us from this brief chat.\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): There's something personalized. There is World War II right now. I think you should check it in a month. There'll be World War III. Not in the real world, but like that would be. There would be a show about it probably. So check that out.\nUtsav Somani: Alrighty, perfect. Thank you so much and all the very best on this journey, Harshith.\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Thank you so much for having me.\nUtsav Somani: Are you discovering any new asteroids or anything in space anytime soon?\nHarshit Yadav (Founder and CEO, Zingroll): Maybe 10 years down the line. We'll see how the first one goes. All right, all the best.\nUtsav Somani: Thank you for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. All right listeners, that's it. Have a wonderful break tomorrow if you're celebrating and we'll see you on Wednesday at four o'clock. Thank you. Bye-bye.