Dhruv Sharma: Hey there, listeners. Thank you for joining us. We're streaming live. This is TON 143. And today, we are back with another space entrepreneur. This is gonna be an exciting one. We are talking today with Raghava of Sanyark Space. Raghava, welcome to The Offline Network.

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Yeah. Thanks, man. Thanks for the opportunity, and then thanks for, representing Sanyark Space here at TON.

Dhruv Sharma: Thank you. Thank you for coming here. We've we've come to realize, Raghava, that not only do we love space, but our listeners along with us also just absolutely love space and love talking to space entrepreneurs. So just great to have you. I believe you you, spent the bulk of your career until quite recently at ISRO. What is that like?

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): So, as you mentioned, it's a bulk of my career. Like, entire, my journey from engineering, I spent the last 15 years in the space industry. And starting with the aerospace engineering from IIST and I post that, I spent eight years at ISRO. So my entire journey at ISRO is more like, like, fulfilling my childhood dream of, like, becoming a rocket scientist. That's the first thing I did, like, when I post, my engineering. So I got, opportunity to work at the national missions like PSLV, GSLV, and Mk III, and multiple which has, on the rocket side of it, which has carried Chandrayaan and Mangalyaan missions, especially on that. And even worked on the, human space program for the pad abort test. There are certain tests and developments that is a research oriented, developments happens. That's on the sideline projects that we used to do. Yeah. I contributed to 40+ missions over the eight-year period of time. Just give me give me enough opportunities to learn and then expect, learn more things in the system engineering concepts and principles.

Dhruv Sharma: I can imagine. What are the first couple of years at ISRO like? Like, what do what do they make you do?

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): So first couple of years, you will be first hand, need to understand what are the things that is happening. Because when you go into a large, magnanimous system, like, as as a rocket, if you're saying it's a, like, a very magnanimous system in front of you, till then you are working and experimenting on small small systems. Suddenly, you can't go and just experiment with the large system there, which is a crores-of-rupees project, hundreds of crores at each stage. So then you will be more of, like, a under someone's guidance, you will be working where you'll be understanding the test, what you will be die doing, and where how will you be designing, and all these things. So at least for one year, one and a half year, they'll be, like, guiding you back, with your hand holding, and and these things will be happening. But post that, they'll be giving you all the free hand to experiment yourself and then test and try out on the normal things and then even give you the suggestions on the last, in the last phase. Yeah.

Dhruv Sharma: And I believe you met your co-founder there. Were you on the same team at any point?

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): No. No. No. Actually, I met my cofounder just a few years back. He was in this completely different, center, like, which is into satellites manufacturing. So, the. So he was into navigation satellites, area. So and after that, like, he was into ISRO headquarters leading the navcom office and all. So he spent thirteen years in the entirely different centers altogether. But, however, we met, in the, around two, three years back, during my journey at Deloitte as a space tech consultant, that's when I, started, identifying this LEO-PNT as a problem statement and then started wanting to talk multiple technical experts. So that's when I reached out to multiple technical experts, and then he was one of them who was guiding me on the technology part. I was, under making me understand on the what are the gaps in the industry, how the technology can be implemented and all. But eventually, fortunately, we both have started, eventually. Yeah.

Dhruv Sharma: Got it. Yeah. But you did mention that he'd worked in NavCom NavCom systems. Had he worked in NavIC as well?

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): NavIC. He was a part of the NavIC core, satellite, engineer at the NavIC, and then he was part of the defense restricted signals, implementation. And then NVS 2.0 satellite systems, which is the next generation of NavIC systems that is coming up, in the upcoming satellites and all. He worked primarily on that. Yeah. Got it. At the program office at, East Red 0.25. Yeah.

Dhruv Sharma: Uh-huh. We're gonna start talking about resilient navigation in just a moment. But before we do that, I think just to set the stage for it, tell us everything that is wrong with GPS because that's someone something everyone uses, but I think that would just be a very good sort of prequel to, whatever else you wanna chat about with you.

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Yeah. Sure. So if you're seeing, like, how much we are dependent on GPS at this point of time as you clearly mentioned, so for us starting from our day to day activities, everyone use navigation aspects, like, from Ola, Uber, every activity, drones, aviation, maritime, defense, all these even telecom. Telecom as industry uses this, and energy as industry. They use timing from the navigation satellites. For our core day to day activities, we are entirely dependent on GPS at this point of time because we don't have the sovereign constellation at built operationally because there are some certain, effort that has been made. But, because of the atomic clock failures, launch failures, these things have, made an operation non operational for the Navix satellites. But, however, Astro will be launching eventually, but our core dependence across all the sectors, across every activity that we do is entirely dependent on the foreign satellite, which is majorly with the GPS as a satellite constellation. And during the like, if you're seeing like, recently, I've been interacting with multiple people and many people are just correlating with the Safed Sagar, one of the, yeah, one of the series they are watching, and then they said, like, yes, Safed Sagar. In that, it was highlighted that, during Kargil War that he event happened where GPS has denied certain operations to India. And that's when the NavIC concept you know, the NavIC concept has, emerged. And, eventually, these things are happening.

Dhruv Sharma: It's happening in Ukraine even today. Like, I mean, in in a military setting, you will very often find yourself in GPS denied environment. So, in fact, just maybe talk to us about what is jamming, what is spoofing, spend a little bit of time on that.

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Perfect. Perfect. Yeah. Actually, that's actually the it's becoming a raising concern in the last few years, considering the geopolitical scenarios, across globally, how things are happening. And there is number of jamming and spoofing incidents happening globally, which is disrupting aviation and maritime sector. But coming to jamming and spoofing, what it is? So when you say GPS sends a signal, right, so it finally receives to the end user. And what the jammer usually jamming means is they'll jam the entire signal that that target the spectrum, which where GPS is being sending or any navigation satellite is being sending that signal. That spectrum entirely they'll jam it. That means in that location, you cannot receive any signal which is, falling into the spectrum. That is jamming. So you will be, like, entire GPS denied now. Now you need to have fallback alternatives and architectures where you need to have the navigation capabilities beyond that. Now when it comes to spoofing, it's much more dangerous than jamming. So there, at least, if you're not having something, you have the alternatives or, you can say that I don't have. But spoofing is more of replicating same like GPS but giving you a wrong destination, taking you to the wrong intended place. So rather than your intended place. So that is where the jamming so that's where deviates from your actual path. What they do is they replicate exactly, like, GPS signals or whatever you want from the ground and, beam it with a slightly higher power. So that is more dangerous than actual. Yeah.

Dhruv Sharma: Yeah. No. Absolutely. And so, and and but we've talked to GPS. I mean, they're, like, thousands of kilometers above, the Earth's atmosphere. And even NavIC, I believe, is certainly not in low Earth orbit.

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): No. No.

Dhruv Sharma: It's not the constellations. Right? Right. So earlier you said you'd picked PNT and LEO as the problem statement. First thing, what is PNT and why LEO?

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Yeah. So when, first is, identifying the PNT means it's a positioning, navigation, and timing. So we get the positioning and navigation and timing from the same satellites like GPS, Galileo, BeiDou. Every sovereign every country have their own sovereign constellation. Like, US owns GPS. European Union owns Galileo. China owns BeiDou. Now India wants to have that sovereign constellation. That's where the alternative to GPS is NavIC. So all these constellations are currently lying in the orbits of, like, 20,000 kilometer. Like, fuse constellations are lying in 20,000 kilometer, like GPS, Galileo, and all. Now there are some constellation like NavIC, which is regional. They lie in the GEO. There are certain advantages when you go far to the earth. In the GEO, it's always, focuses on your country. It is single, relative velocity with the with respect to Earth is zero there. So that's where you will be always focusing in one country. So our NavIC is currently lying in 36,000 kilometer. Now all these constellations have the same challenge because they are coming from and the signals are coming from very far from earth. The challenge is by virtue of the distance, your signals are vulnerable to jamming and spoofing because by virtue of the distance, these are very weak signals by the time they reach up to earth. And second point, the precision accuracy. Now earlier, we used to go just one one place to another by just asking someone on the road and then reaching the other destination. Now everyone is depend on the Google Maps or Apple Maps now, which is being used, like, by satellites navigation. Now as we advance the tech towards the next generation technologies, like our automotive advancing towards ADAS to place, precision drones, maritime aviation, which requires integrated defense applications. Everything is demanding for more high precision accuracy.

Dhruv Sharma: Absolutely.

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): High precision there. High precision navigation there. So so that's and that possible with the low earth orbit satellites where it will be in proper with the existing GEO MEO satellites and can give you 100 times stronger signal. Thereby jamming and spoofing gets more difficult. Now I'm not saying it will be, like, completely avoidable, but it's more gets more difficult for someone to jam. And authentication is possible, and you can give centimeter-level accuracy from the current orbit. Yeah. Yeah.

Dhruv Sharma: No. Absolutely. That makes sense, I think. And you're talking about very advanced applications, even something like a quick commerce delivery, Raghava. If you live in live in a dense urban environment in a, you know, in a high rise apartment, etcetera, you know, the person's just gonna get confused. Sometimes we'll pick up, you know, signal from it'll maybe show that person that you're in neighboring apartment complex, so that happens. Maybe, keeping with super-simple analogies to understand deeply complex concepts even with just, like, you know, broadband Internet. Like, if you're sitting very far away from your router, you can always use extender. Is there no equivalent in space like when the Mhmm. If you do correctly, the approach

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): we are following is it's a kind of extender at this point of time initially. Like, a GEO is very far and MEO is very far. Now we are coming the LEO space where it kinds of extend use that signals and extends initially. But, eventually, our satellites need to be in, like, a independent because when you say positioning and all, you require four satellitess to give you position. That's a some physics. Minimum minimum satellites. So that for that to approach, you need to have hundreds of satellites in the lowest orbit. It is difficult to launch immediately hundreds of satellites. That's where initially, depend on the core satellites already GPS, Galileo, Navik is there. Depend on just be kind of extender and give that accuracy on the ground so that you reduce that five-meter level accuracy to some five-centimeter-level accuracy. Initially, what is needed. Now as we expand to number of satellite, then we can operate independently also. It don't dip any dependence on GPS or NavIC.

Dhruv Sharma: Stay with this for a moment, Raghava. We'd love to get into the satellite design as well. So tell us what's possible what's even possible with a single satellite and then what becomes possible? How much coverage is possible when you have, say, four satellites like you said? What is possible with a small constellation? What is possible with a full constellation? And, eventually, when you have multiple constellations and interlink between them, then what, you know, what becomes possible?

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): So, when you say the single satellite, usually, the positioning is difficult because when you need positioning as it, like, someone need to identify their position, you need at least four satellitess to solve the basic parameters of, like, x, y, z, and time. These are the four simple parameters for anyone position in the on the ground. So with respect to that, you need four satellites to solve that equation. That is

Dhruv Sharma: basically orbital demonstration with one satellite. That's probably all you can do.

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Yeah. So the usually, the challenge is with that one satellite, you get the position, but the challenge is your accuracy will be, like, 50 meter or four 100 meters kind of thing, where all the four satellitess is sending that. And the, overlapping of all the four cycles on the ground is your position. The common center circle that where you see that, that will be, showcasing your accuracy. That's how the navigation technology as a satellite technology works. Now with one single satellite, it is possible only to sudden very high accuracy. That's why you need four satellitess to get the five meter level accuracy. Now with our satellite, what we are doing is with a single satellite, we are already getting a base location, already five meter level accuracy we are getting from existing existing constellation like GPS, NavIC, and all. Let's say. Now from our satellite, we'll be sending just corrections to those satellites.

Dhruv Sharma: Yeah.

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): What are the errors that is getting making you build to achieve that or making it five meter level accuracy? So to reduce that error, so we are just sending the corrections from one single satellite and giving the complementcom communication layer also to that. So that is possible. Now one satellite is not enough because when you are in LEO, your satellite, revolves around the around, like, eight kilometer per second. So that will be, like, hardly ten minutes it can be positioned. You can look from any satellite. The visibility is hardly ten minutes. Then you need another satellite to take over that region. So that means you need tens of satellites there to persistent coverage in your particular location. That's where you need satellite constellation design, like, where you need tens of satellite at least to cover certain region. And if you want to cover globally, then and independent of any GNSS or NavIC, then you need at least 200+ satellites to cover that region. But, however, there is a thing, like, these satellites have smaller satellites, like, hardly 100 kg class satellite compared to the GEO satellite, which are, like, a 2,000 kg, 3,000 kg class satellites. That's a minimum kind of thing. So that's a comparison is different. Their lifetime is different. Year lifetime is five years. Year lifetime is fifteen years. Twelve to fifteen years. So there is a different different approaches in each one. But yeah.

Dhruv Sharma: Are these close to what they call cubesats?

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Cubes so you can call it as well.

Dhruv Sharma: Okay. Can you talk to us a little more about the design of your satellites right now?

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Yeah. So, when you say navigation as a technology, there is a certain atomic clock element that is required for any navigation capability that tells you timing. So atomic clocks are a physics package that tells you timing at the nanosecond level. Just like our mobiles have the microsecond-level or, millisecond-level timing stopwatch.

Dhruv Sharma: Atomic clocks?

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Yes.

Dhruv Sharma: Okay. So

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): the they tell based on the atom, atom excitation. They'll be identifying like, you can measure exactly nanosecond-level timing from that atomic clock. So based on that, like, when the signal is sent, the signal is sent with a certain time stamp. And when signal is received, that's, received at a certain time stamp. You know the time difference there, and you know the speed of the signal there. And, respectively, your, distance is measured based on that. That's the same one, sir. Sir. Now all, atomic clocks currently, what NavIC is using, GPS is using, their large physics package, like, very large atomic clocks, which is based around 30–40 kg each. And each satellite needs at least three atomic clocks for the reliability and then other aspects of it. Now we can't carry that much, large atomic clocks within the lower orbit. Then your satellite eventually will become almost like a a thousand KG because of their power hungry, and then, weight is higher, if we are in all. Now we need to innovate on that. So there is a concept of chip-scale atomic clocks, which is the accuracy is not that high, but their weight is hardly 30 grams. So we are using chip-scale atomic clocks, which is getting imported currently, but, eventually, our plan to indigenize in the next five years. But we combine this with the existing, GNSS or other navigation satellites already available in space that we can synchronize and miniaturize us entire satellite to 100 kg. Our satellite is currently weighing 100 kg max. And even in in that, like, our entire payloads, which is core function of navigation and antenna, which is core antenna that is we are developing indigenous lead up designed and developed indigenously.

Dhruv Sharma: Yep.

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Yeah.

Dhruv Sharma: Wow. And, what about the power source and maneuvering, etcetera?

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): So power source, there is a payload and antenna, and then there is a satellite bus which helps the payload and antennas to function. The satellite bus, the power source, attitude control and onboard computers, all these things, there is it comes under the satellite bus. Now the satellite bus, we have collaborated with satellite-bus partners to build the satellite bus for us, where they are building a satellite bus for us because there's no need to reinvent the wheel there. So they have already developed in India, indigenously. They have already reached to the space heritage. So we are just using that satellite bus customized for us. And the core concept for us is to build the payload and excel in it, and then integrate with the satellite bus. And, overall, it's a sovereign, satellite that we are building. Yeah. Which will be for us tracking our market, market reach itself. Yeah.

Dhruv Sharma: Now let's talk about applications, Raghava, both strategic military and and also civilian, like, everyday, like, you know, people like us.

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Yes. So in terms of applications, as I mentioned, there are two different like, one is a defense applications is separate. Where they need as you advance into the technology, there will be counter technology that we is getting advanced in terms of defense. Everyone has that counter technology measures. Now GPS, Galileo, and even NavIC, now the because the signals are weak and all, like, people are trying to attack that jam through jamming some interference, jamming or spoofing. Now defense wants to have that reliable sources either in terms of the spectrum where you can have the different spectrum altogether, like, in the C-band compared to the L-band or existing ones.

Dhruv Sharma: That spectrum will naturally not be known to your adversary. Yes. Perfect. And then you can encrypt on top of that.

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Yes. That is one thing. Second thing is in terms of the architecture and the codes, there there is a M-code that is being used by GPS. There is a long-code and short-code that Mavic use. So that the different architectures that defense uses, but there will be, like, different architectures for defense and commercial. However, the reliability is more important there. The reliable signal and resilience part is more important. When it comes to the someone is jamming my core navigation or GPS channel, then am I able to alternative are more important. Now that's where the LEO-PNT has taken the traction recently even in the defense applications. One, in terms of the resilience aspect and second, in terms of precision. The precision accuracy is possible only from the low Earth orbit satellite. Like, let's say operations in there, they have used drones which can precisely target within one to two meters. So that type of munition possibility is possible, like, with the LEO-based PNT satellites more accurately, even centimeter-level. That is in the defense.

Dhruv Sharma: Raghava, one natural question would be, like, at like, today, for a lot of our weapon platforms, like, the target acquisition systems are GPS-based. Yes. And as we develop sovereign capabilities, I'm not I'm not even sure if we can ask them to just get rid of the GPS-based systems. Is there is there a way to just, I don't know, use a firmware update?

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Not immediately. Because still we are when we are importing as a system, like a jet projects, we are currently importing. They have certain already inbuilt capabilities where

Dhruv Sharma: Universal.

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Where they can't, where they won't also. They want to have a relay and and they want us to rely on them at this point of time. So, however, there are some now India is advancing towards developing every system indigenously. We are having our own, defense, advancements in terms of the technology. So we are planning to incorporate that our sovereign infrastructure, sovereign receiver system, like NavIC. Even NavIC NavIC will be operational in the next one, two, three years, like, as we go. Like, this will be developing that. They'll be incorporating. But while Navik is developing some private player like us, like, we want to advance into the next generation of navigation systems so that we are adopting at the initial level itself from start. That makes the life easier to, getting it into that object.

Dhruv Sharma: Yeah. And as you go about making these next gen navigation systems, Raghava, are you gonna have to even invest in, I don't know, ground stations of your own, and use

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): No. Usernames will not be manufacturing. Will be collaborating with the existing receiver manufacturer because already receivers are already, lying in our systems. Like, our mobiles are the receivers or laptops are receiver or automotive are receivers. So they are already lying in. We want to incorporate, like, a collaborate with the receiver manufacturer to incorporate our signal so that our existing receivers can receive our signal and enable the precision and all. That's how we want to collaborate. That's a more of a non compete game. So we should not be competing with the same guy, like, who is already supplying with the customer. So they already, have the larger option there. So they will be collaborating more and incorporate the signal, give their receivers the capability to, give centimeter-level accuracy. That's it. That's all the receiver icon. The ground systems, there in terms of telemetry tracking and all, they're like, where the satellite health parameters, satellite base push, and all, like, we'll be depending on the large player ecosystem. Already private ecosystem is there where large ground stations are already established. There will be using pay-per-use kind of thing. However, the PNT related, like, to know your location, you need to know the location of the satellite first. For that, there is a CDMA ranging stations. And master clock facility where higher atomic larger atomic clocks will be used on, in our ground station where it will be synchronized with the, satellites and all. Those things we'll be establishing eventually. Yeah. Yeah.

Dhruv Sharma: You know, in the commercial corporate M&A world, they'll always, use this expression called build versus buy. Now the thing is this is hyper specialized. And, I'm gonna ask you a similar build versus buy question, Raghava, which is how do you guys make the determination that, okay, this capability needs to be reinvent like, needs to be developed from scratch, basically. Clean sheet, and, you know, we'll develop it from scratch. And there's others where because it's so hyper specialized, it's also more collaborative than many other sectors. We just find the best people doing this other thing and join hands with them and just integrate their system. How do you go about doing that?

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): So first thing is what are the current capabilities we have that we need to identify? When we say build versus buy, when we say and indigenous capability, like, to be frank, we have, started with the thought process of, like, we need to develop indigenously, and that will make our cost, of the satellite much lower. That is the first thing. However, India doesn't have entire indigenous capability of the electronics. There are some chip-scale atomic clocks, which we still need to import. So these are the things we will be still importing. But, however, what are the things that is possible? First, we'll identify. Start from the design, the base design of it. Like, change the design entirely and then start from scratch. You'll be identifying, like, many more things like that. What What are the things that will be needed exactly now? And the as electronics says, the technology is advancing a way lot faster, like, way lot, faster than expected. So now we can design from scratch, design it, and what are the things that's comprehend that is coming from outside, you estimate that. What is the lead time for that? And estimate every cause that is involved in there. And then if at all possible, what are the alternatives in India? So explore that. So everything in that lens, we are already doing that, like and then, majorly, we are replacing most of the RF components that are coming from outside. We are planning to indigenize one after another. So initially, to prove the concept, initially, we might be buying the COTS components or other different components, But, eventually, we are planning to indigenize one after another. But there is systems-on-chip, which is very advanced versions of FPGAs and all. Like, those concepts, like, where electronic semiconductor mission itself is happening now in India. So that will take slightly longer time. But, however, the, like, one after another, we need to start in business there. Yeah. So Definitely. Buy versus make as you clearly highlighted, like, there is a certain systems where we need to build the capital. There are certain systems where we can rely on them. If it's a cost is, like, hardly 20%, margins that is they are placing, then it's better to buy and use that. Like and then there is no much IP involved in that, like, right. Then it's a more of a it's a core of IP game. Like, if IP can be copied easily, then it's the best point. It's better to build that IP. So it's not able to build that IP entirely even if it's a long term. You build that IP first.

Dhruv Sharma: Yeah. No. That makes a lot of sense. I mean, this is turning out to be a very enjoyable chat, Raghava, but we can't keep you for long. You are you're actually on a mission. Maybe just two closing questions. One is tell us more about the team. Also, are you hiring people? If you are, you know, use this by all means to put out a hiring call, who do you want to you know, how can people come join you and and work with you, work for you? And then there's one final question I'll ask towards the end,

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): I guess. So fortunately, I'm able to, bring out very good team there. Like, now we are currently team of 35 people now. So where we have four PhDs, around 10 plus masters people, and there are one, good fact is, like, we have, five to six people around who has worked outside in India and studied outside and then came back to India and working with us. So that's a reverse brain drain that we are trying to do, and that's a also, they good opportunity.

Dhruv Sharma: Yeah. The post for this movement, the the the movie. Right? Swades,

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Yeah. That's kind of yeah. Swades movement is happening in India now. And that and that's especially the deep-tech opportunities are raising in India, and then people are realizing that, yes, the same opportunities if India we are getting, then why not move and then build something for India? That kind of attitude is happening. So we have people who have worked in Europe. We have people in Japan. Now we have worked at Japan coming back. Yeah. You from US. So, like, that we have multiple people that is coming back. That's one thing. And second thing is, like, all these, core technology, niche technology people that usually get, like, compete with the Qualcomm and Samsung. These are the players that usually get that, like embedded systems, FBA systems, and all these, GNSS satellite, communication based, everything. Like, that's a large player's game currently in India. So but, however, we have to compete with the, large players there in terms of the, talent pool.

Dhruv Sharma: Yeah.

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): But nothing in winning. Yes. So that's how it is. But, however, we are able to attract good talent because of the vision. That's everyone, the fascination of the space industry. That is what making us benefit in terms of that. People wants to explore that, into the space industry, work in the deep-tech. Maybe there are people are, more taking more risk now. In the new generation that I'm seeing that, like, they are open to, like let's have some more challenging environment, have some more do some more challenging things. That's where, we are finding it more easier for in terms of the talent pool. But the niche talent is very hard to find. That's where we are finding it more in the, like, PhDs and other masters or else outside of the India and then getting them back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, currently, I'm looking for more roles in the technology part. Like, always, more roles are happening in the founder's office. That is also recently posted. And then, look. Who is the, like, tech cross business expertise?

Dhruv Sharma: Where can people write you? Yeah. Where can people write you? Where can they

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Yes. There are it's directly in the web on the website, on our website. Where is the careers page is there? It's open, open career profiles are already listed there where the people can apply there directly. So it's open there, what we need and what we they can apply, and then they can always reach out to us. Yeah. I'm the one I I will be directly looking at the, like, all the application that usually we receive. Yeah.

Dhruv Sharma: That that's the way it should be. They say at least the first 100 hires. So, you know, if you're gonna build a large team, like, the founders have got to be personally involved in doing that. Fantastic. Raghava, just closing question. I believe you've raised, an investment from AUM Ventures. We have them on the show, by the way, and, another one of the portfolio companies, which is Cosmoserve Space. Yeah. So where I'm leading up with this is, you know, hopefully, you'd build lots of satellites, lots of constitutions, constellations. What am I saying? Constellations. And, and and and so the question is, you know, what do you think will it take to be a good long term user of space? You know, sort of some of these satellites eventually will require servicing. So, you know, what thoughts and what thoughts do you have on that? And then successfully deorbiting the ones that are no longer required up there. Or

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): Yes. This is all like a psych, like, circle of economies. It's true to be frankly. Like, one person launching the satellite, other person, satellite, working for five years, and then someone need to deorbit it. Because the next satellite that is coming up now, space is getting more congested. Everyone is occupying more with the more number of satellites coming with the thousands of satellites because, one, the large socioeconomic impact these satellites are making and the commercial aspects of that. Instead of the, like, from the satellite to ground, what are the business that is happening? That is expanding now. Now it's a more data centers are coming up. More cell towers in space is coming up. So with all those things, satellites will be increasing more. But, however, we need to have that responsibility of deorbiting once the satellite is uses over. That is where the cycle of, circular economy that will be coming up in the space economy to be frankly. And, eventually, there are some companies who are building in the, like, extension the life of the satellite so that your, costs are optimized there. So yeah. So in India, we are seeing every startup that is, from launching a satellite to the end applications and then the full cycle, which we can now see, in the Deep Deku course in the space. Yeah. That's great.

Dhruv Sharma: You know, if aliens are real from a distance, they must look at us and laugh. They must think humans are really good at crowding. First, they crowded the earth. Now they're even crowding the space near them. But, well, no. This has been a very fascinating, enriching, conversation, Raghava. We'd love to have you back on the show as, you know, you go from strength to strength, milestone to milestone. Thank you so much for coming and sharing

Raghava Kundrapu (Sanyark Space): the work. And then great, great to meet you, and then thanks for the opportunity, and then, a good time.

Dhruv Sharma: I'll be up. Yeah. All the best. Thank you. Thank you, guys. Alright, listeners. Just one guest today, but, power packed episode. We hope you had as much fun as certainly I did, and, we'll see you again next week. All the very best